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Barton Scott: Founder, Upgraded Formulas


Mineral deficiencies can have a crippling impact on our everyday health and vitality, as well as long term implications for healthspan.  The food we eat and the environments we live in, play a critical role in maintaining a delicate balance of chemicals that sustain life.  But even the most ideal-sounding diet can fall short of providing an essential mix of minerals. 

Barton Scott discovered the hard way, through ill health, that he suffered from chronic deficiencies that were severely impacting his quality of life.  Myriad dietary interventions failed to resolve his issues and prompted Barton to apply his knowledge, as a chemical engineer and nutritionist, to resolving the problem. The solution, he discovered, revolved around the body’s ability to absorb mineral particles.  It led to him creating Upgraded Formulas, a company that applies nanotechnology to minerals and assesses which components we need through a hair test. 

In this LLAMA podcast interview Barton explains the background to his company and why he believes that regular testing for heavy metal toxicity and mineral deficiencies is essential to support a healthier, happier, more productive life. 

“I wanted a longevity and an anti-aging company, and that is what I created. It’s what I needed and that’s what I created. Short term and long term. If we could just get the soil to be back to where it needs to be, then we’d be really set.”


Recorded: Sept 6, 2021 | Read a transcript

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Peter Bowes: [00:00:21] Hello again and welcome to LLAMA, the Live Long and Master Aging podcast. My name is Peter Bowes. This is where we explore the science and stories behind human longevity.

SPONSOR MESSAGE: [00:00:31] This episode is brought to you in association with Clinique La Prairie. The award winning spa clinic and pioneering health and wellness destination nestled on the shores of Lake Geneva in Montreux, Switzerland. Combining preventative medicine with bespoke lifestyle and nutrition plans, Clinique La Prairie offers a holistic approach to living fuller, healthier and longer lives.

Peter Bowes: [00:00:55] Now, so goes the saying. We are what we eat. The nutrients in our food are really the basic building blocks that all go together to nurture our cells, vital organs, immune system, muscles and much more. What we absorb into our bodies is crucial to our state of health, indeed our very ability to survive from one minute to the next. But how much do we really think about how we feed ourselves and what can happen when those nutrients are absent from our food, or we are unable properly to absorb the vital minerals that we need? Or perhaps without us knowing it, we’re being poisoned by toxins in our diet or the environment that we live in. I’m joined by Barton Scott. Barton is a chemical engineer and nutritionist and the founder of Upgraded Formulas. That’s a company a few weeks ago to which I mailed a few locks of my hair with the goal of analyzing the mineral status of my body. Back came a 25 page report, which I have here, and we’ll dive into that in some detail during this interview, Barton, welcome to the Live Long and Master Aging podcast.

Barton Scott: [00:02:07] Ah Peter, so good to be here. Thank you.

Peter Bowes: [00:02:09] Really good to talk to you. Joining me from the beautiful city of Austin in Texas, one of my favorites.

Barton Scott: [00:02:14] That’s right.

Peter Bowes: [00:02:14] And I mentioned that report. It is here. It’s pretty detailed. It’s fascinating reading. We actually won’t analyze all 25 pages, but maybe talk about some of the headlines that, as I say, are very interesting. Before we do that, just tell me a little bit more. Give me a few headlines about Upgraded Formulas. What kind of company is it and what led you to it?

Applying nanotechnology to minerals

Barton Scott: [00:02:35] Sure, you could say we’re a nanotech company. We’ve applied nanotechnology to minerals, and we test your hair to figure out which ones you need. The minerals themselves actually absorb, which is something I thought should be a thing. And I desperately, just desperately needed it myself. See, I started to lose my memory in my mid-twenties, shortly after college and towards the end of college, and it was really clear about that time. We were getting really bad advice on salt and how we should eat less of it. Turns out there’s a reason why and money is the cause of it. It turns out sugar interests were what funded those studies. They realized one simple truth, which was just the fact, and you can test it for yourself if you don’t believe it. But when you eat less salt, you crave more sugar. So if you eat virtually no salt, you crave sugar. That’s really good for business if you’re them and if they tell you something really scary. Hmm. Let’s see. Maybe hypertension. Heart related? Ah, yes, that should work. It turns out that was all just false, bad and very old data. So I wasn’t eating salt. I was pushing myself really hard as a wrestler or had from like six through 18 got into Brazilian Jiu-jitsu for a while, had played football both ways in high school, was just like a lot of people listening, probably just, you know, just a competitive athlete for a long time. And with all of these things sort of combined, then I made the worst nutritional mistake. I wasn’t on drugs, but kind of was. It was. It was prescribed to me, though, so it felt OK, and I convinced the doctor that I wanted to try it. So Vyvanse, similar to Adderall, caused even worse nutrient deficiencies, and I’m a huge proponent against ADHD medication and those diagnoses. It turns out people can’t focus, sure, but the reason why they can’t focus is not because they are deficient in a medication. And this is certainly really key for anti-aging. As you run out of minerals, one of the biggest things to understand. So all cause mortality, for example, as you run out of minerals towards the end of your life, you I mean, death approaches you faster. Now the beautiful thing, and probably one of the most hope inspiring things I can tell people is that with this system that we’ve developed, you can 1, test your levels and understand where you are; 2, actually be able to move your levels, change them, adjust them with insights from either one of our nutritionists, or if you can find someone else that’s really well trained in this I I’ve created course. A lot of people aren’t trained in this very well. So all of that to say when you test and then you have products that really work to move the numbers, well, the magic can happen because our whole I mean, we’re elemental. We are the Earth in action, you could say. And for that reason, we don’t you think it’s a brilliant idea to be testing and not guessing.

Health traumas early in life

Peter Bowes: [00:06:04] I’m a huge fan of testing for a vast variety of reasons. I just like to go back to your childhood and talk about what kind of childhood it was, and it was interesting. You mentioned you lost your memory at a certain stage, and I was curious what was going on in your life at that time.

Barton Scott: [00:06:21] It’s a it’s a brilliant question. Yeah, so that was I just lost someone really close to me, my mother and we were really close as a family and they had raised me kind of as peers. I was one of the last born, so in a small, small town. So they were friends, confidantes, family, you know, parents, obviously, and we were really close. So and that’s that’s another thing to talk about, which is any sort of stored emotion where we’re overwhelmed. Typically, it’s stored as a charge in the body. Those charges those traumatic incidences. There’s ways to reduce those, and that’s a different conversation. But there’s no doubt that it increases your what I call burn rate of those minerals. So this something that that I really like to think about is how do we reduce our burn rate or how do we at least match our burn rate and exceed it with nutrients that really absorb? First, we need to test for them, then we need to absorb them if we don’t have them. What happens, though? What happens? Well, fatigue, depression, things like that. Anything in that area happen, and they happen more and more often and nutrition becomes personality. You know when you think about it. So if you have too many days in a row like that, then your years is that way. And then pretty soon your life is that way and people perceive you that way as as, you know, John, the person that’s like this or Kimberly, the person that is like this, that’s either like bubbly and gets things done and can follow through or is always overwhelmed and tries. But you can tell, like just doesn’t get traction. If that feels like you, then there’s probably some imbalances and also some deficiencies.

Peter Bowes: [00:08:17] And when you, as a young man had problems with your memory, what was the initial response? What did the doctors think?

Barton Scott: [00:08:25] Oh God, I had enough sense, for the most part, to not even consult doctors much because I knew really well how those conversations go. I think anyone listening to this podcast like this knows how those conversations go. So without wanting to waste my time with the traditional, well, you’re having this issue, take a medication that you’re going. It’s clearly just going to deplete more vital nutrients from your body just from like a deep understanding. I mean, I have a minor in chemistry, physics, math, mathematics and then, you know, major in chemical engineering. There is not a whole lot of just garbage that can make sense to someone that’s gone through those things, like it’s just not ever going to work. The whole energy created energy destroyed conversation. That’s true for medication, too, you know, so we have to be looking at what effects does this have on us so that that’s just something that’s really important to understand and think about and and go, well, what else if that’s not a solution? So I look I looked at a lot of functional medicine tests, is what I did, and I’m a nutritionist now as well. I wasn’t then, so I had a nutritionist called in a bunch of tests for me, worked with a functional medicine doctor as well. And today, that’s the reason why we offer this hair analysis. Because of all the tests and all the thousands of dollars I spent, I found that this test was the most actionable and actionable is what matters when you get other results back, and it’s just not clear on what to do, even like the insights aren’t helpful or you follow the protocols and the recommendations. Maybe it supplements. Maybe it’s dietary changes. Maybe it’s both. And they don’t seem to really help much. You’re just like, All right. So that was 10, 10 percent improvement, perhaps. I want to get to 80 percent improvement. How do I do that?

Why test hair?

Peter Bowes: [00:10:27] And what is it about her in particular that makes it a good subject for testing, in other words, a good part of your body to carry out these tests and get accurate results?

Barton Scott: [00:10:37] It’s a beautiful question that so well, I’ll contrast that with blood, if you’ll let me. Blood is a day’s worth of data or less. That’s the reason why the doctor will say or the nutritionist or, well, usually a doctor will say, Peter, please fast before you do your blood, work when you come in and and you go, Well, what would happen if I forgot or I didn’t do a great job of it or I halfway did it? Well, it turns out your results would be completely wrong, and that that points to something in the larger discussion there. But what it points to is that really simply the results are too fallible with blood. They’re too transient and they’re too fallible. So with hair, you get a statistical average of six to eight weeks of data, and that provides an average such that you get the standard deviation of each element and we test sixty three different elements. So the whole universe in your body. And this is we look at ratios that are more important than the individual, but we get a thousand times more data than blood. So when we actually pull a sample, it’s indicative of what you actually have going on in your body instead of what you Peter had going on in your body on June 17, 2021, for example. Right. It’s not very helpful. The other thing I say is, you know, if you were investing in a company, would you invest in one day of earnings or cash flows without knowing anything else? No, you wouldn’t, of course. So you want an average averages are good. They help us understand things because you can have a great day and you can have a bad day. And a lot of people don’t like giving blood. A lot of people consciously or unconsciously get on better behavior, like a week before giving blood five days, three days before giving blood. All of this is not good because we want what you’re truly doing and what you have been doing so that we can make a change from there.

Peter Bowes: [00:12:34] When you say better behavior, you mean they change their lifestyle to try to impress the doctor.

Barton Scott: [00:12:39] Yeah, they’ll they’ll eat a like they won’t eat dessert for the three nights before a blood test. I mean, I’ve done these kind of things, too. It’s like it’s just human nature, and you just have to protect against that.

Peter Bowes: [00:12:50] Now, let me just throw it, throw in one thought about hair. Your hair is exposed to the environment, to the outside world. Is there any danger that that could skew results? What if you’re a firefighter and you live in…you work in a smoky environment? What if you I mean, there are many, many different kinds of hair products that people use, and I know you do ask people what kind of products that they use on their hair, but there are external factors are there that could come into play?

Barton Scott: [00:13:16] Yes, there are. We have some instructions with videos and written instructions. When people order a kit on their website and it ships to them, they get that information so they can look at the kit that they ordered on the website and go, OK, so I’m supposed to wash my hair and then dry it, and it’s supposed to use a shampoo that doesn’t have a bunch of selenium or zinc in it, for example. So like Head and Shoulders or any anti dandruff shampoo like, don’t use that for maybe a three days, four days leading up to that will keep your results from being skewed. Another question we get is if your hair has been dyed, so that affects only small portions of the test, for example, things like tin. But those aren’t the important areas of it. So what I always say is I’d rather have the data sooner rather than later so I can make a decision sooner rather than later. That being said, it’s really, really important to not wait and take the approach of, Oh well, I’ll wait until my hair grows out and then I’ll sample it because I just dyed it type thing. You want the half inch or so closest to the scalp anyway, and a lot of times that’s not dyed at the nape of a woman’s neck if she’s dying her hair. Typically, women in that that spot. So we also do underarm, pubic. So, yeah, hopefully that answers those questions.

Peter Bowes: [00:14:42] Yeah, it does. And just to explain, it was, as you just described it, a very simple process of just snipping a few inches of hair from, as you say, from the temple, from the side of your head and mailing it off to you. And a few weeks later, I received the report and I have it here a very long report with multiple graphs about different components of my well, of my hair, with extrapolating to my body. What do you do in between me getting the report and you receiving the sample from me? What actually happens to that hair sample that I send you?

Barton Scott: [00:15:16] So it goes off to one of our labs and it goes through a process they’ve had since the 90s. It’s super rigorous and we take the hair, we analyze it, and we look specifically for heavy metals and minerals. And it’s important to look for heavy metals and hair as well. Because in blood, because it’s us on our best behavior, blood is so mission critical that it is a place that wants to be kept as clean. So if you had an area that you, you had guests coming over and you’re like, Well, I’m going to clean this area and you do something that a lot of people do. What do you do? You put things in the closet? Ok. I’ve actually never given this metaphor before, but I love it because that is what we do. We shuttle it from our blood into our tissues. So tissues, hair, skin, they’re very similar. They grow at a similar rate. And for that reason, you’ll find lead, for example, after about 30 days in your hair. You’ll find it immediately, too, but you’ll find that you won’t find it in blood after 30 days, even though you’ve had a lead exposure 30 plus days prior. 32 days to be exact. So we’ve seen that in the research. A lot of heavy metals that people commonly see are things like aluminum. And then a really bad one is mercury. And a lot of people have had mercury fillings, especially if they’re over 50 or so. You really want to go to a biological dentist to have those removed. A normal dentist. I’ll say this really loudly. Just bold, just italics. All the underlying everything. This isn’t a normal dentist does not know how to take mercury out of your mouth. They will put you in harm by doing that. Please look up a biological dentist to have that removed and do that. Definitely do that. Mercury is a thousand times more toxic than anything else on this chart that we’ll look at. It’s terrible for the body. It causes memory issues, weight gain, fatigue. I mean, it’s a neurotoxin of the worst order. Why we decided to put it in our mouth, I don’t know, but we test for it and you know, you can start to pull it out. If you have it. 

Analyzing Peter’s hair sample

Peter Bowes: [00:17:30] Fascinating. So this is already infinitely intriguing to me, and I’ve mentioned the report that you have seen as well. In fact, you’ve got it in front of you as well the results of my analysis of my hair sample. As you look, just give me a few headlines of what you can see.

Barton Scott: [00:17:45] So what I see here is reduced thyroid expression. I see metabolism that could be more optimal if you had more phosphorus in your diet. I see adrenal function that could be more optimal if you had, in this case, probably both more sodium and more potassium, that would require a couple of questions. I see that your zinc and copper quite well-balanced. Yeah, I mean, it’s quite good. And this is a balance between what you could say is analytical and creative. You can also think of as masculine feminine. Copper when when you have too much copper, you get into a place where you’re creative, but it’s ungrounded. The follow through is hard. You start five things, you finish none of them. When you have too much zinc, you’re highly analytical and you can be highly critical and self-critical. And that can be really, really difficult on relationships, obviously. So personality becomes relationships as something I’ve said for a few years now, and it’s a key part of the book I’m writing as well.

Peter Bowes: [00:18:55] So there’s a lot to delve into that. One thing that you that sort of jumps out at me, you describe my metabolic type as ‘Slow, 2.’ What does that mean?

Barton Scott: [00:19:05] It is a reflection of lowered thyroid activity, and that is reversible. That’s the beautiful thing. That’s kind of a mid range sort of thing. The worst would be Slow 4 and then an improvement would be Show 1 or Fast 1. That’s kind of like the the best spot that’s based on thyroid and also adrenal function. So whenever the thyroid is low, usually the adrenals are also low. So in this case, one of the supplements I would recommend would be our peak thyroid because it has some key minerals, the key minerals really the most important ones for thyroid health. We’ve had people that have told us that they’ve gotten off of their thyroid medication after some time of taking this, obviously, they had to work with their doctors there to step it down. But sure enough, they started being high in it. When taking medication they didn’t need it. The gland was producing the hormones it needed to. Because what are hormones made of? People seem to have forgotten this and all the health discussions that I end up hearing. But hormones are made of two constituents and those constituents are fats and minerals. So when we identify the exact ones and we are able to absorb them well and take them frequently enough, then that really you can see how that starts to change things. And the adrenals are the same with different minerals. And so those are some areas that I would look at supporting you. Potassium is a bit low. Calcium is a bit high, magnesium could be higher. Yeah. So those are some things that could really be great to focus on.

Peter Bowes: [00:20:47] Yeah, that’s really interesting. And of course, as with everyone and obviously the older the person, the more likely this is there are clearly going to be issues in the background that perhaps there have been illnesses, perhaps there have been surgeries. So what I’m going to tell you now is that two months before I sent you my sample, I had my left adrenal gland removed. Wow. Because I had hyperaldosteronism – producing too much, six times the correct amount of aldosterone, which was causing me to have a low level of potassium, of high sodium and ultimately high blood pressure. I’ve had hypertension for the past decade. Controlled with medication within six days of getting my left adrenal gland removed, my hypertension disappeared completely. I’m now on the low side of normal blood pressure, and my potassium levels came back, which were low, which were lower than the standard range, and now within and actually on the slightly higher side of the normal range. Now that may still be leveling out because clearly my right adrenal gland is kind of compensating now for not having the the left over secreting. And so I strongly suspect, obviously, that those that that condition is perhaps skewing the results a little bit with those factors that you’ve already mentioned and highlighted that are linked to the adrenal glands. 

Barton Scott: [00:22:10] There’s a great book that I’d recommend that you read. We don’t have enough time to explore it here, but it’s called the Salt Fix and you’ll you’ll find plenty of studies there to show that hypertension, although this is clearly helping you and working for you, it’s just it’s something that you’ll be able to ponder. You’ll think on an experiment, but more sodium rather than less means that our body works less hard. Our heart works less hard because our kidneys are able to pump three point two pounds of salt per day. So when we’re talking about two thousand milligrams or four thousand milligrams, that’s a drop in the ocean. We’re talking about pounds here that it can move. When our salt is really, really low, we actually retain water. We were taught that when we’re retaining water, we have too much salt. It’s the opposite, right? Because our body is incredibly intelligent. Our body senses that someone is low and this can be anyone, anyone listening. But it’s such an important point that I have to rewrite because it’s it’s not only misinterpreted, it’s it’s understood backwards. As it’s inverted. The truth is, is that everything I just said, plus when you have the ideal amount of sodium, your body produces energy at the right rate, at the right time. And when it doesn’t have enough sodium, it destabilizes key minerals like magnesium, which you are a little bit low in. If you’re not consuming at least 3500 milligrams of sodium each day, then your heart is working harder to keep your kidneys powered than it should be, and your heart sits in a bath of sodium and potassium. And that reaction actually causes the initial jump or pump. Magnesium allows it to relax, so you need them and without them that you would, we would all die instantly. So it’s a very critical balance. And for that reason, we’re better off with more salt because the body can excrete salt like that. That’s what I’m saying when that’s what I mean, when I say we can excrete 3.2lbs a day. If you take take in too much salt, bam, it’s gone. Bodies rid of it now. Sugar is not the same. Sugar would be the opposite case. Your body will just consume sugar and sugar and sugar, and it will push out all these nutrients. Magnesium, you’ll change the blood pH, calcium, all these, these nutrients that we need. So that’s a key point there. That is possibly, maybe even tough news, but valuable news for everyone listening and certainly important for longevity.

Peter Bowes: [00:25:00] I think it’s interesting, and I really just mentioned my own personal taste because it just it highlights the complexity of what we’re dealing.

Barton Scott: [00:25:08] Yes.

Peter Bowes: [00:25:09] And even in my brief description, I haven’t told you absolutely everything in terms of the biomarkers that my body contribute to this condition. Everything is is ultimately linked. And with that in mind, I suppose my next question is if you look at a report like this and you want to take action. Is it the best advice that you get a second opinion that you I mean, I heard what you said about doctors earlier, but that you speak to your own personal physician. I always say to people, don’t take any action based on anything that you hear on this podcast because no one can possibly know what individuals are going through. And the only proper way to do that is to seek the advice of a professional healthcare person.

Taking action on test results

Barton Scott: [00:25:48] Certainly, yeah, doctors aren’t trained in this test. This test, again, is what I found to be the most vital. So you need to find someone that is trained in this specific test because if they’re first off, if they’re not testing, then they are guessing. And because of the individuality that you just spoke of, individuality is key because you, Peter making corrective actions to results. Now we’ll have different results in three months. You biochemically will be a different person, and that’s why we offer testing on a subscription basis. Every 90 days, people can come in and just buy one test and see, but a lot of people do it before and after at least. And then the people that get the best results frankly, do it for several years. Like every three months, I do it every two months because if you’re not testing, you’re by definition guessing on where you are now. What I can say is that there are people out there that understand this and that you if for some reason someone doesn’t want to work with one of our nutritionists that upgrade formulas with their results, then they can seek those out and try to find them and and get a good consultation because. A consultation is everything. What we’re talking about right now is it’s the hardest test in health to understand. I think it’s the most valuable and because of my background in chemistry and my just experience in health, I’ve been supplementing since I was 13. I’ve been a nutritionist since I was 24. I just I loved this. I find it very fascinating, and I’ve just experienced enormous improvement for myself in the last 10 years using this test again and again and again. So it really does tell you so much and you can do other tests too. And I’m a fan of that. But you know, if you’re doing, for example, a Dutch test, we look at adrenal function right here. And it’s again, it’s it’s an average like Dutch. You take three to four samples and that’s in like twenty four hour period. So anyway, those are some thoughts to for people to take with them. I will say that I’ll tell a brief story. A friend here in Austin is working with some friends of mine. They’re anti-aging doctors, the husband, the husband, wife, team, he’s a surgeon, lectures all around the world. They’re thinking about using our hair analysis as part of their practice. In the meantime, one thing that convinced them is or is convincing them is that one of my friends came over and he had followed their protocol, spending a thousand plus a month with them. But they weren’t doing this test. And he induced a bacterial infection in his mouth. How? Well he started supplementing zinc too much zinc too often, and it pushed the copper out of his body. This is what I mean when I say it’s a delicate balance and I called it, he had just gotten his test results done. Second test he had done with us. And I said, so we talked last time about zinc. I said, Are you you still supplementing that? He said, ‘Yeah, I’ve actually increased it. You know, told me to increase.’ I love them. I think they give great advice overall. But this is clearly it’s not their area, and they weren’t testing for minerals and heavy metals. He said, well, you know, just kind of over my shoulder, nonchalance. Yeah, well, be careful. You know, you’ll probably have a bacterial infection if you’re not like, you know, if this goes wrong, if you take it to the extreme. And he stopped for a minute, got really flustered and frustrated, and he said, I spent three days last week having to find a dentist, actually a biological dentist that I now use. So it worked out great for me to fix this bacterial infection in my mouth. So he did develop one because he pushed too much copper out of the body. And copper is a defense. Just like zinc is the defense. Zinc is antiviral. Hence, so or I should say things like Germ-X, Purell, those are only antibacterial, not antiviral. So yeah, they’re it’s just it’s important to know these just facts. It’s just chemistry. And I think there’s a lot of conjecture happening, more so in the world now than at any other time. And that’s a trend that will probably increase just a noisiness of people that aren’t that truly didn’t. They weren’t good at chemistry ever in their life. And now they have their speaking and they have a mic and a podium. Whether it’s just there, like online blog or something or their elected politician or a doctor that has a lot of credibility and no real understanding fundamentally of nutrition. Some do, and I’m friends with those doctors and they’re brilliant. But they also self-educated outside of medical school because it’s medical school, not nutrition school. I just want to drive that point home really firmly for people.

When nature isn’t working

Peter Bowes: [00:30:54] Let me, talking of nutrition. I started by talking about food, and I think it’s a common belief that if we eat a nice, balanced diet as nice colorful diet from the avocados to the tomatoes or tomatoes, you would say, or the green vegetables that you have a beautifully colorful plate that you’re probably getting all the nutrients and vitamins vitamins that you need. Not true?

Barton Scott: [00:31:17] Not true. Not true. So our world is much more toxic. So you can think of our bodies having to play defense a lot more than it did three hundred years ago, prior to the industrial revolution, prior to cadmium in the air, from brake dust and every city around the world prior to our toxic metals like aluminum in the water supply all around the world. That’s part of the reason why I use a certain filtration system in my home and we give back to Charity Water as well because water and the environment is so important to to our health, I think water is the most fundamental thing outside of air that people need. So it’s it’s my belief that I get it, a lot of us have our own favorite charity, but root cause is what I’m always after because root cause solves a domino effect, right? It’s just the math of leverage, right? Archimedes said. Give me a lever and I’ll move the world a long enough lever and I’ll move the world, right? So if we solve water for people, then they can figure out how to solve other things for themselves and then other charities have more leverage at that point. So anyway, it’s kind of a tangent, but important one. I think people should check them out. So, yeah, a lot of toxins in the environment is really what I’m saying there, and we have to overcome that. And the way you overcome that is with all of these positively and negatively charged minerals that are constituents in our body that we need that our body can’t make and that we can’t get from our food. If the soil isn’t, if the crops aren’t rotated, they plant the same crop just again and again each year. Of course, the soil is being stripped. I mean, everything needs time to replenish, right? So where, where in nature is? Is nature left to its own and not in a cycle is not apparent, right? When we erupt those cycles, we get in trouble.

Peter Bowes: [00:33:24] Yeah. Let me ask you this you clearly over the years you’ve had your medical problems. How are you doing now and how are you applying everything that you know to your lifestyle? So how is your energy? How is your sleep? How is your daily routine?

Life alignment and purpose

Barton Scott: [00:33:41] Yeah. Well, I’m a CEO of a really successful company. That’s my life mission. I feel super aligned with that part of that part. For that reason, my I think my energy goes further because I’m in alignment with my purpose and I truly believe in everything we do. So that’s a big, you know, energy suck for a lot of people, and you need the energy to if you’re in a place that you don’t like, just side note on this, then you need the energy, you need the testing, you need the minerals so you sleep well so you can wake up and go, All right, I’m going to work and then I’m going to shift gears so I can. I have the energy after work to go and do something I love or shift gears after work to be on a path that I is is a match for me and a match for everyone, especially in the process. So I I’ll be thirty four and a few weeks. And although that came more quickly than I thought it would, I am healthier now than I was at twenty four and it’s not even close.

Peter Bowes: [00:34:45] Believe me, 44 and 54 come pretty quickly as well. Enjoy the 30s.

Barton Scott: [00:34:48] I 100 percent believe you. I really do. Like life is better now than it’s ever been, I will say, and partly because I have a lot more wisdom now. It’s partly because my health is a heck of a lot better than it’s ever been. I’m writing a book on extended fasting and minerals and things, and a lot of things that we’ve talked about and just purely physical stats, I think my body fat’s lower than it’s been since I was or as low as I think since I was 19. I was wrestling and I finished competing at a really high level in that and Brazilian jiu jitsu and things like that. And but yeah, I can feel all my goal, probably 18 months ago was to to feel and then eventually see all you know of my major six abs, abs or abdominal muscles. And I, because of what that represents, you know, low fat.

Peter Bowes: [00:35:48] What is your exercise regime to achieve that?

Barton Scott: [00:35:50] Gosh, I think mainly it’s nutrition. It’s it’s great that you ask that it’s 80, probably 85 percent that and then moving two hard workouts a week if I’m really well rested the night before otherwise. And in speaking of longevity, like it’s not a good idea to work out hard if you didn’t rest well, a lot of cuts on on the on, on the DNA there, you know, are not good.

Peter Bowes: [00:36:18] It’s a phrase everyone uses. Listen to your body, but it really works. And it’s really important, isn’t it?

Barton Scott: [00:36:23] Yes, certainly. I use the Oura ring and I take Upgraded Magnesium. That was our first product. I take that nightly and I take it during the day. If I’m ever like overwhelmed or something, or if I have a headache or if I feel constipated, which almost never happens because my mag levels are really good because that product absorbs really well. But I’ll notice my deep sleep and my REM sleep. That’s the main thing I track on that really sophisticated piece of hardware that looks like a normal ring. It’s a great piece of kit. As I would say in the UK,

Peter Bowes: [00:36:59] I do exactly the same. It’s the first thing. It’s just another thing to look at on your phone in the morning.

Barton Scott: [00:37:03] Yeah,

Peter Bowes: [00:37:04] But it’s usually the first that i look at

Barton Scott: [00:37:06] Yeah, it’s great to know, I mean, and you’re improves your intuition, yeah, so just like testing with our hair test, you do 10 of these and your intuition gets pretty sharp. 

[00:37:15] Yeah. The more information, the better in terms of longevity. And essentially, that’s what we’re all about. That’s what we talk about in this podcast. Is it something that you actively think about? Do you have a vision of your own future in the decades to come?

A vision of the future

Barton Scott: [00:37:29] I do. I definitely do. I don’t know if this will answer your question, but certainly, you know, as it relates to this, I wanted a longevity and an anti-aging company, and that is what I created. It’s what I needed, and it’s what I created short term and long term. So, yeah, if we could just get the soil to be back to where it needs to be, then we’d be really set. But we need to be giving birth to innovators is something I’ve been speaking about and that only happens if our mothers don’t have nutrient deficiencies. If they do, they’ll continue to give birth to children that whose brains are underdeveloped, and that can lead to a twenty point or lower IQ from the same child. So, yeah, I mean, it’s significant that it’s just from iodine studies. So just one mineral. In other words, one deficiency. Imagine 10, which most 90 percent of people have around 10, and that’s a stat that’s been well researched. Yeah, that being said, longevity, the correlation I mentioned earlier. But it’s worth mentioning again, as we as we age, if we don’t do anything about it, our mineral levels naturally deplete, decrease. We get more offsets, so we get more out of balance. So we get too much calcium typically and not enough magnesium. We get, you know, like not enough zinc and not enough copper. And then that hormone ratio is off all sorts of imbalances. But when we start to reverse those, it’s as if we’re almost turning back the clock. But it’s not like we’re stopping aging, but it’s like we’re expanding the timeline. And it does absolutely slow down your aging, for sure.

Peter Bowes: [00:39:18] I quite like that phrase expanding timeline. You said anti-aging a few times, and I always kind of rail against that because I’m not really against aging. I actually am pro aging. It’s just a use of words. But I like to see aging in the process as a as a positive, forward looking process that we can optimize.

Barton Scott: [00:39:37] I do too. I’ve it’s funny you say that I’ve never used that exact phrase before. I should take note of it. It’s it is what we do, though. That’s why I love it. I mean, it’s essential.

Peter Bowes: [00:39:48] I think it’s fascinating and we could delve and delve into this for a very long time. But I think we’ll draw to a close that I really appreciate your time. I think you’re doing you’re doing fantastic work. Thank you for this report, which I shall read a few more times to try to analyze the data. Barton, thank you very much indeed.

Barton Scott: [00:40:05] Thank you so much, Peter. This was a pleasure.

Peter Bowes: [00:40:08] My pleasure, too, and I’ll put a link to your company in the show notes to this episode, you’ll find those notes that the Live Long and Master Aging website That’s L-L-A-M-A- podcast dot com.  In social media you’ll find us @LLAMApodcast. You can contact me @PeterBowes. The LLAMA Podcast is a HealthSpan Media production. Quick reminder that we’re also available now at You might listen to books there. You can also download this podcast free of charge wherever you find us. Do take care. Thanks for listening!

Barton Scott: [00:40:40] Beautiful.

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